UPDATE: Mosque 2 blocks from "ground zero"

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:D Obama is destroying himself. Came out supporting the mosque at ground zero. That will surely help him with the Jews and the electorate in the great state of New York. Keep it up Hussein, you will help the democrats snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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David Traver · Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 02:34 pm Post subject:

Wonder why Conservatives hate the Constitution. They want to change it all the time, and they never want others to be able to use it. Especially here, where the issue is political fraud cooked up by Fox and talk radio.

Guest · Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 05:06 pm Post subject:

:roll: Keep on keeping on David.

David Traver · Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 05:24 pm Post subject:

Thank you for the suggestion.

Guest · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 02:02 am Post subject:

8) That's beside the point. Politicians have no position in this discussion. They are irrelevant, as you are.

David Traver · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 06:16 am Post subject:

Politicians irrelevant to politics. So, you're going to vote for a zebra or something?

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Even Fox is coming around to admitting the President was right in what he said.

David Traver · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 04:42 pm Post subject:

As fate would have it, the next-closest Mosque to "ground zero" is the Masjid al-Farah, which is 12 blocks away. http://www.nurashkijerrahi.org/events.htm

I've known about that Mosque for many years, as it is one of the religious sites founded by the Nur Ashki Jerrahi Community.

Masjid al-Farah is the New York Mosque of the Sufi Order of my favorite (by far) Muslim writer about Islam, the late Lex Hixon, who was also known as Nur al-Anwar al-Jerrahi. He was the co-founder of Masjid al-Farah. See http://ssaconnect.com/content/view/101/162/ See also: http://www.ozakhixon.org/biography/hixonbio.htm See too: http://traverlaw.blogspot.com/2009/02/lex-hixon-is-by-far-my-favorite-author.html#links

There is, IMHO, no more peaceful and gentle batch of humans on the planet than that Order of Muslim Sufis. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism (Sufism in general.) Those who might be interested in getting a different view of Islam may wish to read Hixon's books. I suggest starting with "Heart of the Koran." Then read "101 Diamonds." If Islam is not to your taste, no worries. Hixon also wrote quite gracefully (and from his personal experience) about related topics in Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism. http://ssaconnect.com/content/view/101/162/ (book list).

Such easy and light investigation would be especially helpful for those who see Islam as a solidified whole, rather than the fluid spiritual experiences of 1.57 billion individuals struggling to move in the direction of goodness on the Path.

Guest · Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:11 am Post subject:

8) I can't believe how brilliant this Hussein Obama is. What a master political stroke to come out for the Mosque at ground zero. Not to mention how he wrote off all the gulf coast folks who were hurting with the oil spill, then lent them a helping hand by placing a moriitorium on drilliing. What a guy.

SteveSundeen · Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 14

While I am certainly no expert in 1st Amendment law, I don't see this as much of a free exercise issue. Municipalities have been able to control where religious centers are built through zoning and other court approved means for years. I don't see this changing any time soon. That being said, David raises a good point. This proposed center is not being built at Ground Zero. Despite this, it will likely continue to be a hot button topic for many people and will probably not help the Presiden't approval rating.

Insider (Ret) · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 08:43 pm Post subject:

Frankly, I don't see any political hazard whatsoever in President Obama's stand. He's clearly correct, legally and morally. The people who will disagree with him--Beck, Gingrich, Palin--and their acolytes wouldn't dream of voting for a Democrat in any case. So this is a call to rightness and the base. When you can do both those things at once, smart politicians go for it.

David Traver · Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject:

The overall fallacy is that 9/11 was a Muslim-American attack. It was not.

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David Traver · Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 02:44 pm Post subject:

This was by far the most clever (and honest) bit that I have seen on the Daily Show. It's worth your time to follow the links and watch the video.

calamity · Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 48

Why can't the people who oppose this Muslim community center (not even strictly a mosque) because it's "too close" to Ground Zero give a straight answer on what an acceptable distance should be? What does this even have to do with the September 11 attacks? I fail to see a compelling reason why it shouldn't be built, but instead, a lot of emotional bigotry.

SteveSundeen · Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 14

Since I fall into the category of people that think it should be ok to build a mosque or any other thing the property owner wants (within zoning laws), I can only guess. While there are probably more than a few that just hate Muslims, I would guess that for some, it is just pure emotion. It bothers them on some level. I read somewhere about the attempts of an order of nuns to build near one of the concentration camp sites. There was outrage and the Pope finally had to tell the group to build elsewhere. I know this isn't the same situation, but an unfortunate number of poeple make a whole host of decisions on an emotional level.